The Watchtower replaces "HUMAN" conspiracy theories with the belief that Satan is the prince of the power of the air and all human governments are controled by demons. But some Witnesses, already being fruitcakes, buy into all the other conspiracy theories too.
Old Goat
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What is the stand/view of the JWs regarding the Illuminati and conspiracy theory?
by UBM101 ini mean.... are the dubs pretty much supporters of the conspiracy theory (watching videos, researching etc) or do they avoid such materials/topics?
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JW Mission = Find all checker floors in WT publications
by bytheirworks inyour mission... should you choose to accept it, will be to find all checker floors in the watchtower publications, especially those involving worship.. .
if you can upload them here, great.
i don't know to upload a pic from my computer on this site.
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Old Goat
If you wear your coat inside out and backwards the fairies won't see you. Look for backwards clothes too. Also look for pictures of horses with tangled mains. Pixie ridden. All demonic.
My assessment is that the same lack of logical thinking that led you into the Watchtower is leading you to this.
Oh, one last thought. The restroom floors in the NY Times are tiled with square tiles. I'm fairly certain that means they're part of a vast Masonic consipiracy, or that the tiles were cheap and nice.
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Unwanted Books/Brochures
by rod.henderson inif anyone has any unwanted jw books or brochures let me know.
not really in a position to buy them from you but i could cover postage maybe?
my jw friend says she'll get me copies of things but never does.. apologies if here was the wrong forum place for this post.. .
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Old Goat
Dear Nathan,
I'm interested. ... Very interested.
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Unwanted Books/Brochures
by rod.henderson inif anyone has any unwanted jw books or brochures let me know.
not really in a position to buy them from you but i could cover postage maybe?
my jw friend says she'll get me copies of things but never does.. apologies if here was the wrong forum place for this post.. .
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From Schulz and de Vienne, rough draft on their private blog:
A. H. Macmillan’s Claims
A. H. Macmillan reported a claim made by “Pittsburgh newspapers” that Russell “was on the Sixth Street bridge dressed in a white robe on the night of the Memorial of Christ’s death, expecting to be taken to heaven.” We could not find the original of this newspaper report, though we do not doubt its existence. The fact of the report is interesting, but the conclusions many have drawn from it are distorted. The report, no matter who printed it, was long removed from the events of 1878. Macmillan’s association dates from 1900. [1] The newspaper article could be no older than that and is probably dated later, perhaps after 1906. As Macmillan has it, Russell’s reaction was to laugh “heartily” and say:
I was in bed that night between 10:30 and 11:00 P.M. However, some of the more radical ones might have been there, but I was not. Neither did I expect to be taken to heaven at that time, for I felt there was much work to be done preaching the Kingdom message to the peoples of the earth before the church would be taken away. [2]
One should dispose of the ascension-robe claim first. It was an old, often-repeated calumny. Everyone with clearly defined end-of-the age expectations was subject to it, though there is not one verifiable instance. It is especially out of place when applied to Russell. He expected a change to a spirit body, making any self-made ascension robe irrelevant. He understood the “white robes” of Revelation 6:11 to be symbolic, not literal. That he or any of the Pittsburgh believers dressed in robes is a newspaper reporter’s lie. The story delights Russell’s enemies who discount his denial, and others simply repeat it, believing it to be accurate because it saw print.
If Macmillan reports Russell’s belief that “there was much work to be done” and that he didn’t “expect to be taken to heaven at that time” with any sort of accuracy, then we must presume his doubts to have arisen in the last weeks before April 1878. Any time prior to the spring of 1878, we find Russell and Barbour believing with equal fervor that translation impended. [3] It is apparent that he believed and preached that translation was due. Taken as a whole, this seems a very unreliable report. But we come away from it noting two things: There was among the Pittsburgh brethren a “more radical” party; they were somewhat fragmented.
We see Macmillan’s claim that Russell did not expect translation and that he saw a vast field of work ahead as wrong. Russell wrote that “since 1878 (and never before that) we have felt at liberty to call God’s children out of the nominal churches to a position … where they would be free to serve Him fully.”[4] This clearly dates his vision of a vast work to after the disappointment. He also, as we shall see, expected translation in the spring of 1878.
[1] A. H. Macmillan: Faith on the March, Prentice-Hall, Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey, 1957, page 42.
[2] A. H. Macmillan: Faith on the March, page 27.
[3] C. T. Russell: A Conspiracy Exposed and Harvest Siftings, Zion’s Watch Tower, special edition, Apriil 25, 1894, pages 103-104. The Prospect, Herald of the Morning, July 1878, page 11.
[4] C. T. Russell: The Year 1881, Zion’s Watch Tower, May 1881, page 5.
Their public blog is here: http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/
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100% pure unadulterated speculation - what changes would a "New New World Tranlsation" contain?
by sir82 inon this thread:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/257481/1/i-cant-find-any-bibles-seems-to-be-a-shortage.
some (well, me, mostly) are speculating that the wts is planning to distribute a "new new world translation" some time soon.. if that is true, what changes do you think they would include?.
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Old Goat
Better grammar would be nice. For a start, drop the reflexive pronouns.
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What's Your Opinion Of The Personalities Of The Governing Body?
by minimus ini believe the gb has typically been an odd group of men.
this new batch, the faithful and discreet slave seem very impressed with themselves....like they are modern day apostles or something....or maybe it's just me..
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Old Goat
self-appointed, self-anointed, sons of Eli.
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A Historian's Rant
by Old Goat ini almost always post about watch tower history, and if you've read my previous comments you know i follow the truth history blog.
dr. de vienne posted a long, explosive rant based on a blog comment.
along with it (someone really set her off!
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Old Goat
Dear Slimb,
I emailed her and asked, since I have no easy answer. Here's what I got back:
Dear ---.
Now that’s an interesting question, and I can’t answer it. I don’t know why Literalists accepted the year-day theory. As a principle of prophetic interpretation, it goes back to the 4 th century. Russell knew this. We don’t know where he picked up that tidbit, but we know he came across the fact. Personally, (and it’s just a guess) I think he found it in a book entitled Prophetic History.
Literalists accepted the idea. It was an Adventist who rejected it, though most of them accepted it too. I suppose they accepted it so easily because of the verse in Ezekiel that contains the phrase, “a day shall be for a year.” That gave them license to see it as a God-authorized concept.
I’ll have to research that. Thanks for the interesting, puzzling question.
R
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A Historian's Rant
by Old Goat ini almost always post about watch tower history, and if you've read my previous comments you know i follow the truth history blog.
dr. de vienne posted a long, explosive rant based on a blog comment.
along with it (someone really set her off!
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Old Goat
Schulz and de Vienne trace Russell's connections with One Faith belief. Ever heard of it? Me either ... until i started reading their work. One Faith emphasied the near return of christ, but to restore paradise to the earth. Sound familiar? They're the anticedent group behind the abrahamic faith and blessed hope congregations. And they weren't adventists at all. I've found and read some of their early material. It's a new concept to me, but I believe S and d V are right on this. I'm not sure what set her off. Some comment on one of the posts that I missed, I suppose.
If you ask me, the creep factor falls more on Rutherford than Russell. But I have on open mind on that. I'm certain I wouldn't go to lunch with either.
I've read all the Russell era Watch Towers. He wasn't a plagerizer within the meaning of that word. He was a cherry picker. In one of their posts on their invitation only blog Mr. Schulz calls him a "Cut and paste" bible student. That seems about right.
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A Historian's Rant
by Old Goat ini almost always post about watch tower history, and if you've read my previous comments you know i follow the truth history blog.
dr. de vienne posted a long, explosive rant based on a blog comment.
along with it (someone really set her off!
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I almost always post about watch tower history, and if you've read my previous comments you know I follow the truth history blog. Dr. de Vienne posted a long, explosive rant based on a blog comment. Along with it (Someone really set her off!) she's posted parts of their research you've not seen on the public blog. Give it a read. I'm interested in your thoughts too. I like this. She "calls a spade a spade" while making her points. You have no idea how much she reminds me of my youngest granddaughter.
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Where did Pastor Russell get his TRUTH?
by Terry inmost jehovah's witnesses are aware there once lived a man named russell and he had something to do with the early years of their religion.. but, generally, interest in the early days is almost non-existent.
after all, nobody was running around calling themselves jehovah's witnesses, so what difference does any of that really make?.
russell and the origins of jw doctrines are, as a result of this total black out of curiousity, hidden and permanently obscured.. in fact, the only time charles taze russell is discussed is because some expose' by an apostate has raised a stink.. admitedly, most anti-jw books seek to dredge up scandals, lawsuits, accusations and failed predictions swirling around russell's ministry.. in my own opinion, none of that is half as interesting as the missing part of the equation: where from did pastor russell get his truth?.
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Old Goat
booze runs to canada are entirely possible. I don' t know that it happened, given the source for the claim. But it is certainly possible. I wonder how one would irrefutably prove that?